I just caught this one JT where you said ( LITS in particular objected to the anatomically correct terms, such as vagina.) They do not use the word vagina in the book in any place. So where in my thread did I say I did not like the anatomically correct term or vagina? Much less the word vulva?
They used the world vulva three times in the book once on page 59 once on page 60 where it tells a child that if they play with their vulva or penis it makes the demons happy. Well I just use your cut and past expertise here this is from page 60 of the book "Today some young boys and girls have sex relations, but this is wrong for them. The Bible talks about the male "genital organ," or penis. (Leviticus 15:1-3) The female genital parts are called the vulva. Jehovah created these parts of the body for a special purpose that should be enjoyed only by married people. It makes the demons happy when people do things that are forbidden by Jehovah. For example, the demons like it when a boy and a girl play with each other's penis or vulva. We don't want to make the demons happy, do we?"
Then again they use the word vulva on page 171 "Do you know what they (they meaning child molesters) may do to get pleasure for themselves?- Well, they may try to rub your sex organs. Or they will even rub their sex organs against yours. But you should never let anybody play with your penis or vulva. Not even your own brother or sister or your mother or father. These parts of your body are private."
This is from your post #2184
JT speaking (I distinctly remember the book's release because, at the time, I had two young daughters. I reviewed this very chapter with them repeatedly. The information was almost identical to what they were receiving contemporaneously at school. The picture is dramatic, but it merely shows a child in an empowered position.
LITS's argument is specious. S/he has explained herself since, but that does not change the fact that the information she originally posted did not support her argument.
The WTBTS makes enough errors. Making arguments against it consisting of tenuous links at best does nothing but make 'apostates' look 'hysterical.')
This is from your post #2185 where you went at Lady Lee JT speaking (It's an incomplete message because you have culled it from the rest of the paragraph that specifically says 'it's not their fault' if they do get abused. I agree that the opposite message would likely be given the reporting child by the elders/WTBTS, but the article itself is not a problem...in my opinion. However, if this article is a problem, then everything my girls were receiving at school was a problem also. And, I doubt that was the case.)
My posts above very clearly state how I feel about the picture but it still makes me so upset that you say Lady Lee culled it from the rest of the paragraph. Where does it say in this paragraph that it is not the child's FAULT to cut and past from the book on page 170 yet again paragraph three "However, sad to say, some grown-ups like to have sex with children. When they do, boys and girls may begin to do bad things that they have learned from these grown-ups. They also begin to use their sex organs in a wrong way. That is what happened a long time ago in the city of Sodom. The Bible says that people there, "from boy to old man," tried to have sex with men who had come to visit Lot.-Genesis 19:4, 5."
I find it impossible to believe that any school even a private school would stoop to telling a child that "demons happy when people do things that are forbidden by Jehovah. For example, the demons like it when a boy and a girl play with each other's penis or vulva. We don't want to make the demons happy, do we?" Or that once they have been molested they may begin to do the bad things that happened to them when they were raped and then to tell the children that is what happened in Sodom with most kids knowing that Lots wife was killed. Talk about doing a mind trip on a child.
First an adult rubs his penis on them, or worse and then the child touches where the man rubbed his penis on their vulva and now they read in the children's book that since they touched themselves there in this wrong way in this private place they have just made the Devil and his demons happy and that they could be killed like what happened in Sodom and Gomorrah.
Notice also how they left out the word Gomorrah. All kids know the story as Sodom and Gomorrah. Why leave out the word Gomorrah? Again it makes no sense. But that is just a side point the main point is I do not believe you even know the book. You clearly do not know even what words they use and you slamed Lady Lee saying that we said things we did not and that we culled things to make WT look bad nor did I make tenuous links as you say.
The books does a good enough job on its own we did not have to do a thing.
The fact that in your opening post you used the word vagina to yet again put words in my mouth that I did not say and that was not even in the book really makes me wonder what are you after? Why all the name calling and throwing out straw man?
Read the book before you go and slam me as it is clear that you didn't.
LITS
